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Where Young Earth Creationism Gets the Bible Wrong

Rich DeemParadoxes Class December 1, 2013

24-hour days

Flood geology

No plant death

YEC Dogma

Holy Bible

Days longer than 24 hours

vs.

Plants do dieSlide2

“And we must as God’s people stand against the compromise of reinterpreting Genesis to fit in evolution and millions of years, which undermines biblical authority.”

Ken Ham,

Answers In Genesis

Ken Ham. Assemblies of God Journal Takes a Dogmatic Position Against Those Who Insist on a Literal Genesis. 9/22/2012.Slide3

It is the avowed

“Bible believers” that are leading their followers down a broad road of compromise with philosophical amalgams like “The Progressive Creation Theory”

or “The Framework Hypothesis.”

Henry Morris III, Institute for Creation Research Henry Morris III. 2001. The Dangers Of Compromise. Acts & Facts. 30 (7).Slide4

Jesus of the Pharisees:

“Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:13

)Slide5

Death Before the Fall

Was there no death of any kind before the fall of Adam and Eve?Slide6

Death Through Sin

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all

sinned

1Co 15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. Slide7

CarnivoresSlide8

Carnivores Ate Plants?

Genesis 1:29-30: Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30) and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life,

I have given

every green plant for food”; and it was so.Genesis 1: 29-30 command given to Adam and EveGenesis 9:3 command to allow meat eating given to humans, not animalsSlide9

Creation of Carnivores

Genesis 1:24-25 Then God said,

“Let

the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.Slide10

Carnivores

"Now then, come and let us kill him and throw him into one of the pits; and we will say, 'A wild beast [

châyâh] devoured him.' Then let us see what will become of his dreams!" (

Genesis 37:20)'I shall also grant peace in the land, so that you may lie down with no one making you tremble. I shall also eliminate harmful beasts [châyâh] from the land, and no sword will pass through your land. (Leviticus 26:6)“They were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and they became food for every beast of the field [châyâh] and were scattered.” (Ezekiel 34:5)I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast [châyâh] would tear them. (Hosea 13:8)חיהHerbivoreCarnivoreExodus 23:11Genesis 37:20Genesis 37:33Exodus 23:29Leviticus 25:7Leviticus 11:27Leviticus 26:6Leviticus 26:22Numbers 35:3Deuteronomy 7:221 Samuel 17:462 Samuel 21:10Isaiah 40:16Job 5:22-23Job 37:8Job 38:39

Psalm 74:19Psalm 79:2Psalm 104:20Isaiah 35:9Isaiah 43:20Jeremiah 12:9Ezekiel 5:17Ezekiel 14:15Ezekiel 14:21Ezekiel 29:5Ezekiel 32:4Ezekiel 33:27Ezekiel 34:5Ezekiel 34:8Ezekiel 34:25Ezekiel 34:28Ezekiel 39:4Ezekiel 39:17Hosea 2:12Hosea 13:8Slide11

Adam's names for carnivores

Animal

Strong's

MeaningLionH738from H717 “in the sense of violence”CormorantH7994“bird of prey” from H7993 “to throw, cast hurl fling” - referring to its diving in pursuit of preyBird of preyH5861“a swooper” - a reference to pursuit of preyKiteH1676“fast-flying bird of prey”HawkH5322“unclean bird of prey”VultureH6538from H6536 “to break in pieces, tear”EagleH5404from an unused root meaning “to lacerate”OwlH8464from H2554 “to wrong, do violence to, treat violently, do wrongly”CobraH6620“to twist” in reference to their killing of preyAdderH8207

from H7779, “to bruise, crush, gape upon, seize, strike out, to fall upon, bruise”ViperH6848poisonous snakeSerpentH8314“fiery serpent, poisonous serpent (fiery from burning effect of poison)”Slide12

Death is Evil?

When Christian leaders try to add millions of years into God’s Word, then they are making God responsible for death, disease, thorns, carnivory, and suffering millions of years before sin. The Bible makes it clear such things are a result of man’s sin! Ken

Ham “The ‘Disease’ of Millions of

Years” May 21, 2012.Slide13

God Approves Killing of Animals

Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; (Genesis 4:4

)And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. (Genesis 3:21

)"You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread; nor is the fat of My feast to remain overnight until morning. (Exodus 23:18)Slide14

God Feeds Carnivores

"Who prepares for the raven its nourishment, When its young cry to God, And wander about without food?" (Job 38:41) "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, [God speaking] (Job 38:39) 

The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God. (Psalm 104:21)There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great... They all wait for Thee, To give them their food in due season. (Psalm 104:25, 27)

Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. (Luke 12:24)Slide15

Animals didn’t

Kill until after

The fall

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

God approves of animal death

God feeds the carnivoresSlide16

No Plant Death?

Whole plants didn’t die? Plants aren’t alive?Slide17

Whole Plants were not Eaten

Only parts of plants are eaten?Herbivores pull up and eat entire plantsSlide18

Plants Aren’t Alive

“The Bible never refers to plants as living. They may ‘grow,’ or ‘flourish,’

but they do not ‘live.’ Neither do they

‘die.’ Morris, J. 1991. Are Plants Alive? Acts & Facts. 20: (9).“Plants are not ‘alive’ in the biblical sense of nephesh chayyah, only animals and man.” Bodie Hodge. 2010. Biblically, Could Death Have Existed before Sin? Answers in GenesisSlide19

Chay

You are a garden fountain, a well of flowing

[

chay] water streaming down from Lebanon. (Song of Solomon 4:15)But when Isaac's servants dug in the valley and found there a well of flowing [chay] water, (Genesis 26:19)"The priest shall also give orders to slay the one bird in an earthenware vessel over running [chay] water. (Leviticus 14:5)חיSlide20

Trees Die!

Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all destined for death, for the earth below, among mortal men, with those who go down to the pit. (Ezekiel 31:14)Slide21

When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees of the field people, that you should besiege them? (Deuteronomy 20:19

)

But I was like a gentle lamb led to the slaughter; And I did not know that they had devised plots against me, saying,

“Let us destroy the tree with its fruit, And let us cut him off from the land of the living, That his name be remembered no more.” (Jeremiah 11:19)Trees Die!So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy [shâchath] both them and the earth. (Genesis 6:13)Lot looked up and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan was well watered, like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, toward Zoar. (This was before the LORD destroyed [shâchath] Sodom and Gomorrah.) (Genesis 13:10)Slide22

Grass Dies!

For the waters of

Nimrim

are desolate. Surely the grass is withered, the tender grass died out [kâlâh], There is no green thing. (Isaiah 15:6)Slide23

Plants Die!

“Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy [kâlâh] them...” (

Exodus 32:10)… ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them

out [kâlâh].’ (1 Samuel 15:18)“…I will send the sword after them until I have annihilated [kâlâh] them.” (Jeremiah 9:16)Slide24

Plant Death Compared to Human Death

Can papyrus grow tall where there is no marsh? Can reeds thrive without water? While still growing and uncut, they wither more quickly than grass. Such is the destiny of all who forget God; so perishes the hope of the godless. (Job 8:11-13

)"

At least there is hope for a tree: If it is cut down, it will sprout again, and its new shoots will not fail. Its roots may grow old in the ground and its stump die in the soil, yet at the scent of water it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant. But man dies and is laid low; he breathes his last and is no more. (Job 14:7-10)A Psalm of David. Do not fret because of evildoers, Be not envious toward wrongdoers. For they will wither quickly like the grass And fade like the green herb. (Psalm 37:1-2)Slide25

Plant Death Compared to Human Death

As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes. When the wind has passed over it, it is no more, And its place acknowledges it no longer. (

Psalm

103:15-16)…All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades, When the breath of the LORD blows upon it; Surely the people are grass. The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. (Isaiah 40:6-8)Slide26

Plant Death Compared to Human Death

"Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (

Luke 3:9)and

the rich man is to glory in his humiliation, because like flowering grass he will pass away. For the sun rises with a scorching wind and withers the grass; and its flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away. (James 1:10-11)For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, (1 Peter 1:24)Slide27

Plants aren’t alive

Plants don’t die

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

Plants are alive

Plants do dieSlide28

Creation Began in 4004 BC?

Age of the Earth According to the BibleSlide29

Ussher and Genealogies

Chronology of Archbishop Ussher was not just continuous genealogies

Exactly 4,000 YearsSlide30

1,000 Generations = 4,000 Years?

Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations, (

1 Chronicles 16:15)He has remembered His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a

thousand generations, (Psalm 105:8)but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:6)but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Deuteronomy 5:10)Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands. (Deuteronomy 7:9)Slide31

Earth is 6,000

Years old

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

Human beings existed >40,000

yrSlide32

24 Hour Days?Slide33

Creation Day

3

Genesis 1:9-13 Then God said, "Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. (10) God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. (11) Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed,

and

fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. (12) The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. (13) There was evening and there was morning, a third day.Slide34

Creation Day 3

Formation of continentsCreation of plantsGod, the farmer!Germination

→ growth → seedsGod speeded up the process?

“The earth brought forth vegetation”דּשׁאSlide35

Creation Day 6

Genesis 1:24-31 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. (25) God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. (26) Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (27) God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (28) God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." (29) Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; (30) and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life,

I have given

every green plant for food"; and it was so. (31) God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.Slide36

Genesis 2

Detailed account of day 6Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25)Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7)God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8)Slide37

נטע

God Planted a Garden

Who Planted

What Was PlantedVerseNoahVineyardGenesis 9:20AbrahamTamarisk treeGenesis 21:33GodIsraelitesExodus 15:17IsraelitesAll kinds of treesLeviticus 19:23LORDAloe treesNumbers 24:6PeoplesVineyards and olive treesDeuteronomy 6:11IsraelitesAsherah groveDeuteronomy 16:21A manVineyardDeuteronomy 20:6IsraelitesVineyardDeuteronomy 28:30, 39PeoplesVineyards and olive grovesJoshua 24:13GodIsraelites2 Samuel 7:10IsraelitesVineyard2 Kings 19:29GodIsraelites1 Chronicles 17:9Slide38

Genesis 2

Detailed account of day 6Creation of animals (Genesis 1:24-25)Creation of Adam (Genesis 2:7)God planted garden in Eden (Genesis 2:8)

God put Adam into the garden (Genesis 2:8)God instructed Adam to “cultivate and keep it” (Genesis 2:15)

עבדשׁמרSlide39

Genesis 2

God brought “all the cattle, the birds of the sky, and every

beast of the field” to Adam to name.God put Adam to sleep, took a piece from his side and formed Eve.

Adam exclaimed, “Now at length”פּעםSlide40

AiG Day 6 Timeline

Time

Action

6:00–7:00God creates land animals.7:00–8:00God creates Adam from dust.8:00–9:00God creates the garden and puts Adam in it.9:00–11:00Adam tends the garden.11:00–3:00Adam names the animals.3:00–5:00Adam sleeps, and God creates Eve from Adam’s rib.5:00–6:00Adam and Eve meet, and God tells them what they should and shouldn’t eat.Tim Chaffey. Contradictions: Not Enough Hours in the Day. Could the events of Day Six have fit within 24 hours? Answers in Genesis, March 20, 20122:59-3:00Adam gets lonelyplantsSlide41

Day 7

By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. (Genesis 2:2)No “there is the evening and the morning, the 7th day”

“For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh day, And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”... Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:4-11)Slide42

24-hour days

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

Days longer than 24 hoursSlide43

The Garden of EdenSlide44

Adam Created Immortal?

Both Answers in Genesis and ICR say Adam was created immortalWhy did God create the “tree of life” in the middle of the garden?Why did God post a guard to prevent Adam from eating from the tree of life?

“Adam was created immortal and was to be God’s representative and steward on the earth, to fulfill the divine purpose.” Dr. Bill

Greenhaw, “Jesus Christ: The Last Adam.” AiG, 12/24/2007“Adam and Eve were apparently meant to be immortal” Alene D. Oestreicher, “Worldwide Traditions of Primordial Paradise.” ICRSlide45

Where was Eden?

“Ultimately, we don’t know where the Garden of Eden was located.” Ken HamSlide46

Where was Eden?

Euphrates R.

Tigris R.

Wadi Al-BatinPishon?Karun R.Gihon?

HAVILA?

CUSH?

ASSYRIA

Eden?Slide47

Why YEC “Don’t Know” Where Eden Was?

Flood geology posits the global flood changed the earth’s geologyEden’s four rivers should not still be

here if flood geology were trueUp to 9,000 meters of sedimentary rock and petroleum sits

under MesopotamiaAll these deposits are up to 6 miles below sea level!Slide48

Flood geology

Eden destroyed

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

Eden was

Near the 4 rivers of the Persian GulfSlide49

The FloodSlide50

Global Flood?

Psalm

104:5-9 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (6) You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. (7) But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; (8) they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them. (9) You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth

.Slide51

Psalm 104: Creation or Flood?

Thus the commencement of creation is described (Treasury of David)This sublime poem on the works of God in creation and

providence (Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge)All these are so many beautiful descriptions of the various works of God in

creation (Robert Hawker)in this he gives him the glory of his works of creation and providence, his dominion over, and his bounty to, all the creatures (Matthew Henry)The Psalmist celebrates God’s glory in His works of creation and providence (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown)Hymn in Honour of the God of the Seven Days (Keil and Delitzsch)The psalm was probably founded on the record of the creation in Gen. 1. (Albert Barnes)The majesty and power of God manifested in the creation (Adam Clarke)A Psalm of David concerning the formation of the world (Septuagint)“Psalm 104:6–9 clearly refer to Noah’s Flood, not to the third day of Creation Week.” Terry Mortenson, “Psalm 104:6-9—the Flood or Day 3 of Creation Week?” Answers in Genesis, July 28, 2009.Slide52

Psalm 104: Creation or Flood?

V

Psalm 104

Creation Passages2He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent.Genesis 1:13and lays the beams of His upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds His chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.Amos 9:6, Job 38:94He makes winds His messengers, flames of fire His servants. Job 28:25, Psalm 135:75He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.Psalm 102:25, Isaiah 48:13, Isaiah 51:136You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.Genesis 1:2, 7, Proverbs 8:27-28, 30:4, Job 38:97But at Your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of Your thunder they took to flight;Genesis 1:9, 2 Peter 3:5, Psalm 24:28they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place You assigned for them.Genesis 1:10, Psalm 136:5-69You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth.Proverbs 8:29, Psalm 33:6-7, Job 38:8-11Slide53

'erets = Planet Earth?

earth

1) whole earth (as opposed to a part

), 2) earth (as opposed to heaven), 3) earth (inhabitants)land1) country, territory, 2) district, region, 3) tribal territory, 4) piece of ground, 5) land of Canaan, Israel, 6) inhabitants of land, 7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world, 8) city (-state)ground, surface of the earth1) ground, 2) soil(in phrases)1) people of the land, 2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance), 3) level or plain country, 4) land of the living, 5) end(s) of the earth(almost wholly late in usage)1) lands, countriesoften in contrast to CanaanSlide54

Erets in the Genesis Flood Text

Now the earth [

erets] was corrupt in the sight of God, and the

earth [erets] was filled with violence. (Genesis 6:11)And God looked on the earth [erets], and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth [erets]. (Genesis 6:12)I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth [erets]. (Genesis 9:13)Slide55

Local Flood from Genesis

Gen 8:5 And the water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains became visible

.

Gen 8:6 Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made;Gen 8:7 and he sent out a raven, and it flew here and there until the water was dried up from the earth.Gen8:8 Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land;Gen 8:9 but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on the surface of all the earth. Then he put out his hand and took her, and brought her into the ark to himself.Slide56

No death

6,000 years

24-hour days

Location of Eden

Global flood

YEC Dogma

Young Earth Dogma or Bible?

Holy Bible

Eden was

Near the 4 rivers of the Persian

ulfEden

was

Near the 4 rivers of the Persian

ulf

den was

Near the 4 rivers of the Persian

ulfEden

was

Near

the 4 rivers of the

Persian

ulf