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Reinhard F. WernerInstitut für Theoretische PhysikLeibniz Universität Hannover

New directions in

the Foundations of Physics

WashingtonApril 24, 2015

Is an ontological commitment at the quantum level helpful for good physics?

Version

including

some

comments

by

Shelly GoldsteinSlide2

Introduction

(

introducing

myself)

mathematical

quantum physicistStatistical

Mechanics, recently mostly Q Informationstudent

of Günter LudwigSlide3

in the sense every scientist should be

I am a Realist

Build

theories/explanations that can clash

with experience/experimentAvoid lines of reasoning/investigation known to be

error prone

Appeal to authority/scripture,

free fantasy formalized

methodology

Don‘t

fool yourself (and others)

Check on your confirmation bias and premature

hypothesizingSlide4

I am a Realist

about

This

is naive but required for the enterprise of empirical sciencealways needs critical

evaluation

observational data

Other

claims to reality

Can only

be stated in the context of a theory

can

only

refer

to

theoretical

terms

crucially

depend

on

the

role

a

term

plays

in

the

theory

A

claim

is especially weak, when the term

depends

on

arbitrary

choices

(

eg

vector

potentials

)

Can

be

eliminated

without

change

of

empirical

contentSlide5

If claims to Reality depend on the role of a notionin the “best

theory about

the

subject“, what makes a “good theory“?

Example of a “bad theory“: quantum mechanics applied to 1024 particlesNeeds special situations and “approximations“,which must be

counted as part of a

theory (Stat. Mech)(Theory

 Axioms  “all conclusions thereof“)

empirical correctness

power of the formalism

to actually reach conclusions

manageable computational complexitySlide6

Introduction

(

introducing

myself)

mathematical

quantum physicistStatistical

Mechanics, recently mostly Q Informationstudent

of Günter LudwigI see

my job as Explaining

how QM works and what we can

expectClarifying conceptual issues

Increasing

the

strength

of

the

quantum

formalism

Increasing

the

expressive power

of

QM

Consolidating

reduction

relations

between

theories

and

modelsSlide7

Historical ExamplesSlide8

Earth around

Sun

Really

?

Sun

gives

better

inertial

frame

!

Coordinate

choice

. So

what

?Slide9

The Ether

Maxwell 1861

Mechanical

metamaterial

Continuous mediumwith funny propertiesdispensibleforgotten

It

matters

little whether the ether really

exists; that isthe

affair of the metaphysicians. The essential thing for

us is [...] that this hypothesis

is convenient for the ex-planation

of

phenomena

. After all,

have

we

any

other

reason

to

believe

in

the

existence

of

material

objects

?

[...]

no doubt, some

day

the ether will be thrown aside as useless. Poincaré 1888 (

cited after Darrigol)Slide10

Apfel

An apple’s trajectory

nowhere differentiable

 

2x

differentiable

 

Trajectory?

 

Continuity

and

Continuum

Slide11

How real are the reals?Like all mathematical objects they

are human inventions

(but mathematical

Platonism is beside the point here

)Could we not do Physical Geometry with all distancesrational constructible with ruler and compassreal hyper-real (non-standard analysis

)At any

finite accuracy these are indistinguishable

refinement process =

Hausdorff completion

unique

!

Idealization

patches

up

our

ignorance

of

small

scale

geometrySlide12

Quantum Mechanics

Although

quantum mechanics is hugely successful

practically, its interpretation is still a matter of debate. Bullshit

Legitimate question of any student:

Tell me what I need to

know (e.g., about interpretation) to participate in

that success story. Slide13

Quantum Mechanics

some

good news...

There is only one interpretationand there is consensus about this

This interpretation is local

Quantum

mechanics

has no measurement problemSlide14

There is only one interpretationand there is consensus about

this

Depends

on what you mean

by interpretation(a) A basic set of rules for connecting observations to elements of the mathematical formalism

agreement (e.g., Q Information community)

(b) “Spelling out an ontology

“ (Esfeld) Poetic

interpretation Natural Philosophy 19th century style

less

agreementSlide15

A basic set of rules for connecting observations to elements of the

mathematical formalism

Minimal

Statistical Interpretation

Operational Quantum

Mechanics

1000100101100110101001100101110101000100100100110

p

(

1

)

p

(

0

)

Theory

only

refers to such probabilities.

preparation

,

state

measurement

,

observable

F

, tr(

F

).

0Slide16

Quantum Mechanics is a probability theory without sample spaces

No

unique decomposition

into pure statesNo dispersion-free states

States (=“probability distributions“) are not distributions of “objective“ propertiesNo conditioning (in general)= a generalized probabilistic theory (GPT)=

convex state space approach (Ludwig 1960s)

ensemble interpretation (Einstein, von Neumann`26)Slide17

Remark

about

Probability:

Subjective

vs.

frequentist

Subjects“, rational agents etc are

constrained by rationality rules and Bayes

rule

to

act

like

frequentists

For

frequentism

probability

is

a

theoretical

term

in a

theory

of

random

sources

Applicability of this theory never follows from observation

alone, but is partly a subjective decision

Difference

not

as

great

as

it

may

seem

,

especially

when

there

are

sufficient

data

Agreement on:

Probability

distributions

or

are

not

attributes

of

individual

systemsSlide18

The minimal interpretation is local

No operation on

one part of

a system makes a detectable difference on another part

, unless interaction is explicitly includedPrototype locality already assumed in the setup: Ludwig: Principle of directed

interactionNo backreaction

from measurement to preparation

Also

needed to

define “channels“operating on “unknown quantum

states“

x

Informational

turn:

Analyze

systems

in

terms

of

what

can

be

encoded

on

them

and

reliably

read

outSlide19

The shape

of

the state

space

=

key structural feature

of the system type in a generalized

probabilistic theory (GPL)A

theory is called classical iff

any

two

convex

decompositions

of

a

state

have

a

common

refinement

(

no

Schrödinger

steering

)

any

state

has

a unique decomposition

into

extreme

points

(

state

space

is

a “

simplex

“)

the

faces

of

its

state

space

form a distributive

lattice

(

Boolean

logic

)

any

two

observables

can

be

measured

jointly

there

is

finest

“ observable

,

from

which

all

others

can

be

simulated

by

post-

processing

Every observable

can

be

measured

without

disturbance

sample

spaceSlide20

You assume classicality, if you demand a description of individual systems in terms of

“real

factual situations“ (Maudlin, mail Apr. 16)

elements of reality (EPR)a variable  (Bell 1964)This is a highly non-trivial step beyond the minimal interpretation.Slide21

Quantum mechanics has no measurement problem

However

, some textbook accounts

have an MP.Better do without:

Quantum Fundamentalisminstead: QT does not apply directly to Macroscopic Bodies need StatMech for emergence of Classicality

Projection

Postulate & “Dual Evolution“

instead: general “instruments“ measuring

 filtering for “properties“

Fixed “

objective“ results are

the starting point. A “

measurement

problem

arises

only

as

a

consistency

problem

:

Checking

that

fixed

results

are

consistent

with

the

Quantum Statistical

Mechanics treatment of devices. Slide22

Bell‘s Theorem*

*

Maybe not what

he thought he proved, but what

we learned from him. A theory cannot have all

three of the

following features

Correlation

Experiments explained

Classical Description Joint measurability

Hidden variables

Counterfactual

definiteness

Realism

“ ...

Locality

No Bell‘s telephone

Relativistic causalitySlide23

Bell‘s Theorem

One

can

prove this in the form:

Correlation Experiments violating CHSH Classical Description

Joint measurability

of Bob‘s

measurements

Violation

of Locality

Signalling just on

correlationsSlide24

In Operational Quantum MechanicsCorrelation

experiments

ok

Locality

No Bell‘s telephone Relativistic causality

ClassicalDescriptionSlide25

Bell‘s Theorem

(

Bohmian

Style)

Correlation Experiments with CHSH outcomesNonlocality

of Nature herself

(no theory

required)

There

is NO ASSUMPTION HERE“Real factual

situation“ is taken for granted as

feature

of

any

theory

. Slide26

Choose

!

will

you

take Classicalityand try to save the world

you

used to

know

or will

you take

Locality

and enter the

world

of

matrix

mechanics

So

let

us

play

a

bit

with

the

Blue

PillSlide27

Bohmian

Mechanics

I will

only

refer to the Goldstein et al version (ignoring

differences to

David Bohm‘s version

)

My encounters

:

Friends doing Nelson‘s

stochastic mechanics (

early

80s)

Paper (1986) on

generalizations

Various

rounds

with

Detlef Dürr

Paper on multi-time

correlations

Quantum

theory

without

observers

III

Clash

via

blog

(April 2013)

Comment on Tim

Maudlin‘s

What

Bell

did

“.

Last

summer

: Long email

exchange

on a

detector

problemSlide28

A theory must be about something

Note: “QM is about

atomic scale physics“

seems to count for nothing

Bohmian criticism of QMSlide29

A theory must be about some thing

Bohmian

criticism of QM

Note: “QM is about atomic

scale physics“ seems to count for no thingSlide30

A theory must be about some thing

The

solution: Thingify all

you can! Bohmian criticism

of QMQSlide31

Bohmian Mechanics

This will

then

remain true for all times ( “Quantum equilibrium

“)Slide32

Bohmians are not alone in

committing this category

mistake

Einstein attacked this as the “orthodox view“

of the wave function from 1927-1955One of the agendas of the EPR paper is to attack this (I think

successfully)Effectively this

is a spooky variable theory

And responsible for a good deal of the

supposed “non-locality“ of QM. Slide33

Ensemble Interpretation

Individual State Interpretation

puts

 here

puts  here

Operational

quantum

mechanics

/minimal int.systematizes theoretical and experimental practice“

incomplete“ and not ashamed of that

“orthodox“ view plain category

mistake

still

held

by

many

I

II

Einstein @ Solvay 1927Slide34

QHeisenberg told you that

you cannot

have trajectories. Here

they are! Cool!

Why are the situations and  so different?Shouldn‘t each particle see just one hole?

Unsatisfying

explanation

:

You

have

to

compute

different

s.

Shut

up

and do it.

Bohmian

explanation

:

You

have

to

compute

different

s.

Do

it

and

then

solve

the

guiding

eq

. ( different

patterns

).

Now

shut

up

.

Ok. Sorry.

That

was

asking

too

much

.Slide35

QBM must share a grain

of

truth with QM,

because t(x)=|t(x)|2 for all t

This is easy to getNo compelling arguments

either way

Can

add any velocity

term v with div(v)=0Can

also add a diffusion term (Nelson), any diffusion

constant Can replace Q by any

abelian subalgebra (also finite dimensional/discrete/

momentum

, RFW

, `86

)

Can

let

mixed

states

do

the

driving

Meet

the

Bohmian

Demon

,

the

only

spectator

of

Bohmian Reality

Meet

Nelson‘s

Demon

,

the

only

spectator

of

StochMech

Reality

They

rarely

agreeSlide36

QBM must share a grain

of

truth with QM,

because t(x)=|t(x)|2 for all t

This is easy to getand also

wrong just around the corner

(arXiv:0912.3740

) Take two entangled, non-interacting particles

. Then two-time correlation

functions make sense in both BM and QMBut they

are quite different: eg QM: CHSH=2

2, BM: CHSH2No

special

link Q

BM

 Q

QM

Bohmian

Answer

(

arXiv:1408.1651):

Have

to

describe

Q-

measurement

as

a

Bohmian

process

Collapse

by

the first measurement. Slide37

QBM must share a grain

of

truth with QM,

because t(x)=|t(x)|2 for all tSlide38

QBM is empirically

equivalent to

QM, because t

(x)=|t(x)|2 for all t

All the other quantum degrees of freedom?They just are

not real. Have to describe

entire experiment in BM language.Then

since ultimately every

measurement ends in position

dofempirical equivalence is reestablished

.

This preference for position is entirely ad hoc

Why

not

momentum

measurements

on

photons

(Jürg Fröhlich)?

Do

we

want

to

treat

result

in

pixel

on

screen

“ and “

result

in

ink

on

paper

as ontologically different?Microscopically

, we routinely transfer quantum

states

between

different

degrees

of

freedom

.

Need

Bohmian

Theory

of

ExperimentsSlide39

Bohmian

Theory

of Experiments I

Describe the whole

experimental arrangementin Bohmian terms.

Allows to claim a definite

outcome, because the particles of

the pointer hand are assigned

some QBM.

The End

This will

tell

us

nothing

about

the

empirical

relevance

of

the

microscopic

Bohmian

trajectories

:

All

interaction

via

.

No

known correlation between particle and

detector QBMSlide40

Bohmian

Theory

of Experiments I

Correlation between

particle and detector ?

45

pages

of

email

correspondence

(

summer

2014),

mainly

with

Shelly (

inconclusive

). Slide41

Summary:

Bohmian

Theory

(micro

)

Strictly

for the

Bohmian demonelse

could condition on his observations

threreby get signallingsubsystems

out of Q equilibrium

Dependent

on

arbitrary

choices

(Nelson,...)

Usually

at

odds

with

physical

intuition

&

oddly

biased

towards

position

vs.

other

physics

Shelly

to

me

(Bielefeld`13)

You

as

an

operationalist

should

not

complain

about

our

not

taking

spin

seriously

: For

you

nothing

is

real.

Me

(

now

):

Why

not

be

an

atheist

about

just

one

more

?Slide42

Bohmian

Theory

of Experiments II

Use strong assumptions

about the form of  after the

experiment: No

need to follow the trajectories

.

System

Apparatus

with

macroscopically

distinct

and

with

forever

disjoint

configuration

support

 

These

are

mostly

copied

from

the

formal

theory

of

measurement

(von Neumann, Busch/Lahti/

Mittelstaedt

...)

When

transition

is

by

a fast

unitary

:

get

collapse

ariXiv

:

quant-ph

/0308038Slide43

Bohmian

Theory

of Experiments II

7: Genuine Measurements

ariXiv: quant-ph/0308038

Necessary condition for measurability of a random

variable: outcome probability distribution=

sesquilinear in “... neither

the velocity nor the

wave function [nor any multitime trajectory

property

]

is

measurable

Empirically

accessible

part

of

Bohmian

Me

c

hanics

Operational Quantum

Mechanics

=Slide44

A

Bohmian

piece

of

False

Advertising

Goldstein (Stanford Encyclopedia 2013):“In

fact, quite recently Kocsis et al. (2011) have used weak measurements to reconstruct the trajectories for single photons “as they undergo two-slit interference,” finding

“those predicted in the Bohm-de Broglie interpretation of quantum mechanics.”

Dürr&Lazarovici (Esfeld volume

, 2013):“There is, however, the possibility, using ”weak measurements” [...] to reconstruct experimentally the trajectories of the particles. Just recently this was achieved for the famous

double-

slit

experiment

.“ Slide45

The

Bohmian

micro

/macro

divide

For

small

systems, Qmust be hidden, lest we

can createquantum nonequilibrium

signalling

All for

only

On

measuring

instruments

the

Q-

configuration

is

identified

with

the

observed

outcomes

Demanding

additional

assumptions

on formal

measurement

theory:

forever disjoint supports of

branches

purity

of

branchesSlide46

Bohmian

Achievements

Solution

of the FNPP Measurement Problem given strong solution of FAPP MP

Derivation of operational QM: QM  “

Trajectories“ QM

Clear

notion of arrival

times but must be avoided to

remain consistent

Existence

proof

for Hidden Variables

by

convincing

demonstration

why

not

to

use

them

Restoration

of

microscopic

Reality

for

the

eyes

of

the

Bohmian DemonSlide47

Two active Bohmians, Shelly Goldstein and Travis Norsen, were present at the talk, and we naturally

discussed some of

the issues in the

next available break. I asked Shelly to send me

some comments for inclusion in the posted version of the slides. These can now be found beginning on the next page.One participant

asked for the reference mentioned on

slide 35. It is RFW: “A generalization of stochastic mechanics and its relation to quantum mechanics”.

Phys. Rev. D 34(1986) 463-469.Ruth

Kastner complained about the “Bullshit” on slide 12, as not doing justice to the serious work that is actually being done on the issue of interpretation. She is right, of course. What I was mainly objecting to is that line about the unsettled interpretation being used as part of the general mystification of QM.

Notes added after the

workshop Slide 25 refers

to a debate I had with the

Bohmian

camp last

year

. The

editors

of

a

special

JPhysA

special

issue

celebrating

50

years

of

Bell‘s

inequalities

(

freely

available at http://iopscience.iop.org/1751-8121/47/42 )

had

asked me to comment on a contribution “What Bell did“ by Tim Maudlin (

see arXiv:14081826)because it was quite polemical

and

quite

against

the

mainstream

view

on

the

topic

. Tim was just

echoing

the

usual

Bohmian

line

(

see

also

the

Scholarpedia

article

(http://iopscience.iop.org/1751-8121/47/42

)

by

Shelly et al.

My

comment

(

see

the

special

issue

)

received

a

countercomment

by

Tim (arXiv:1408.1828),

showing

that

I

had

utterly

failed

to

get

through

to

him

(

see

also arXiv:1411.2120).

Probably

it

is

a matter

of

stating

the

assumption

in

words

Bohmians

recognize

.

At

the

workshop

Travis

at

least

agreed

to

the

statement

that

Bohmians

like

to

think

of

a

theory

as

something

involving

some

complete

description

of

the

real

factual

situation

independently

of

what

measuring

devices

we

choose

to

employ

“.

Only

you

should

perhaps

not

talk

of

a “

description

because

it

is

Nature

herself

, which

has that real factual situation. Since QM clearly

does not

work that way, and I somehow lack that direct access to the ‘Ding an sich‘, I still call that an assumption. Slide48

[Measurement problem]: I probably basically agree with that---though I

don't remember

what is

meant by FNPP. In any

case, quantum mechanics as you understand it does not have a measurement problem as usually

understood in the foundations

of quantum mechanics,

the problem of how

typical quantum measurements

can end up having

results (a pointer pointing

this way or that

way

, etc

.)

if

the

wave

function

of

the

system--

apparatus

composite

is

a

complete

description

of

that

system. Neither for you

nor for Bohmian mechanics

does

this

particular

problem

arrive

,

because

the

wave

function

is

most

definitely

not a

complete

description

of

the

relevant

system

.

One

important

difference

between

us

here

is

that

for

you

the

wave

function

is

not

really

an

objective

element

of

the

system

at

all, but just a

computational

device

,

whereas

for

Bohmian

mechanics

the

wave

function

must

be

taken

more

seriously

.

We

would

presumably

disagree

about

whether

that

is

a

virtue

or

a

vice

.

 

[FNPP was an

abbreviation

of

“for

no

practical

purpose

“]

 

Comments

by

Shelly Goldstein

,

mostly

on

the

last

slide

(

replies

and

further

comments

from

me

in [...])Slide49

[QM ∧ “Trajectories“⇒ QM] By “Trajectories“ here you of course

mean

the guiding

equation of Bohmian mechanics

, the additional equation with which BM supplements Schroedinger's equation. That's fine. But you're not

properly expressing here the

derivation. What is

important is this: On

the left only a

part of QM

is relevant, namely Schroedinger's

equation itself. And on the right

it

is

a different

part

of

quantum

mechanics

that

is

relevant,

namely

the

quantum

measurement

formalism

involving

Born

probabilities, operators as

observables, POVM's, etc. Those

things

are

certainly

not

part

of

the

formulation

of

Bohmian

mechanics

.

They

are

simply

what

emerge

as

a

convenient

means

of

description

when

Bohmian

mechanics

is

applied

to

an

analysis

of

results

of

experiments

.

[I

accept

that

.

But

what

was

the

achievement

,

really

?

It

only

shows

that

if

you

apply

the

raw

quantum

formalism

to

an

indirect

measurement

,

it

practically

does

not matter

how

you

describe

the

readout

at

the

macroscopic

level

.

Even

Bohmian

position

will do, but

only

if

you

make

sufficiently

strong

assumptions

guaranteeing

that

the

devices

live

up

to

macroscopic

expectations

.

You

see

that

this

fails

right

away

if

you

dare

to

move

a

Heisenberg

cut

in

one of the

earlier

stages

of

a

measurement

(A

perfectly

standard

thing

in QM for

getting

a

more

detailed

analysis

of

some

measurement

.) ]Slide50

[Arrival times] I wouldn't say that they must be avoided

. Rather one

must simply

be careful. In some situations

the Bohmian arrival times correspond precisely to the quantum probability current and provide a

principled explanation of

why the current

provides the relevant answer. But in

other situations it

is not the Bohmian

arrivals that are

reflected in the measurement results

.

There

is

nothing

terribly

mysterious

about

this

.

One

has

to

be

sure

the

experimental

arrangement

is such that the

arrivals becomes suitably

correlated

with

the

appropriate

apparatus

variables. In

Bohmian

mechanics

all

the

relevant variables

are

well

defined

,

but

one

must check

that

the

interactions

establish

the

appropriate

correlations

between

them

.

[I

should

comment

on

this

,

because

it

is

a residual

reference

to

a

section

that

I

deleted

from

the

talk

for lack

of

time.

Indeed

, in

the

80s I

wrote

a

couple

of

papers

on QM

arrival

time. I

did

feel

it

annoying

that

the

time

of

detector

clicks

are

routinely

recorded

in

the

lab, but

textbooks

were

mostly

silent

on

how

to

set

up

the

observables for

that

. (See

my

papers

http

://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~

werner/WernerByTopic.html#j14)

The

Bohmian

or

Nelsonian

approach

has

obvious

first

hitting

distributions

, but

these

do

nothing

to

alleviate

the

problem

,

since

they

cannot

be

what

we

get

from

an

actual

detector (Trajectory properties are

not

measurable

). The

Bohmian

works

on

this

and

Shelly‘s

answer

make

the

point

that

sometimes

the

Bohmian

arrival

distribution

is

sort

of

ok, and

maybe

not

totally

off.

Having

worked

on

this

, and in

particular

on

finding

better

alternatives

than

the

probability

current

, I find

it

sad

that

Shelly‘s

answer

takes

that

current

(

which

is

quadratic

in

,

hence

measurable

“)

as

the

relevant

answer

.

] Slide51

[The eyes of the Bohmian Demon]A crucial element in establishing the

empirical

equivalence between BM

and orthodox quantum theory is

the proof that a Bohmian demon is not possible in a typical Bohmian universe: the sort

of system that such a

demon would have

to be is no

more possible that

a perpetual motion machine

. So the restoration of

microscopic reality is not for the

Bohmian

demon

.

Rather

its

point

is

this

:

Microscopic

reality

is

the

basis

of

macroscopic

reality. And in Bohmian mechanics

the behavior of the

fundamental

micro

-reality

yields

the

observed

behavior

of

the

macro

-reality on

the

basis

of

which

we

believe

in

quantum

mechanics

to

begin

with

.

Where

we

differ

here

is

this

: I

insist

that

measurement

and

observation

are

not fundamental, and

should

not

be

mentioned

in

the

formulation

of

a fundamental

physical

theory

. I

insist

, in

other

words

, on a

quantum

theory

without

observers

.

You

do not.

You

take

a

more

practical

stance

towards

physical

theory

.

Therefore

I

have

a

much

greater

need

for

micro

-reality.

Without

it

one

has

real

difficulty

in

insisting

on a

quantum

theory

without

observers

.

[I

agree

to

this

description

of

our

disagreement

]Slide52

[Existence proof for Hidden Variables by convincing demonstration why not to use them]Naturally

enough, I would express

that a bit

differently. Bohmian mechanics demonstrates

that despite all the no-hidden-variables arguments claiming to establish the impossibility of

hidden variables in quantum mechanics,

what Bohmian mechanics shows

is this: in order

to overcome these

argument one need

only invoke the

obvious ontology (that is

,

one

requiring

little

imagination

)---

namely

of

particles

,

described

by

their

positions

---

evolving

in

the

obvious

way, namely according to

the guiding equation

,

which

one

could

hardly

fail

to

find, in a

great

variety

of

ways

,

as

soon

as

one

bothers

to

look

for it.

From

this

OOEOW

the

quantum

formalism

,

probabilities

and all

the

rest

,

follows

.

[I

couldn‘t

make

sense

of

OOEOW.

And

probabilities

are

clearly

among

the

inputs

to

the

theory

,

as

the

initial

deed

of

the

demon

or

God

or

whoever

,

of

establishing

quantum

equilibrium

.

]Slide53

[The Bohmian micro/macro divide: slide 45]This makes it sound

as if

one *stipuates

* that for small systems Q is

hidden (in order to avoid some undesirable features). But this not so. One does not stipulate any such

thing. Rather, it

simply turns out that when

one analyzes BM one

finds that the

sorts of correlations

that typically can

arise in a Bohmian universe are

incompatible

with

the

sort

of

knowledge

that

would

allow

for

signalliing

,

or

for

violation

of

the

uncertainy principle or quantum

probability formulas. 

What

you've

written

also

makes

it

sound

as

if

there

is

a genuine

conflict

between

what

is

true

for

micro

and

what

is

true

for

macro

.

There

isn't

.

Both

for

micro

and for

macro

(e.g.,

measuring

instruments

)

one

can

not

know

the

configuration

of

a

system

in

more

detail

that

its

Born

rule

probability

distribution

,

arising

from

its

wave

function

,

would

allow

. For

the

microrealm

this

is

a strong

limitation

. For

the

macrorealm

,

it's

not

much

of

a

limitation

at

all---

because

macro-masses

are

so

very

large (and

because

mechanisms

of

decoherence

are

so

pervasive

).

[Fair

enough

: The

trajectories

are

irrelevant in

the

microcase

and

superfluous

at

the

macro

-level. The

reason

I bring

this

up

is

the

tension

I

see

between

the

proved

invisibility

of

the

micro-trajectories

and

their

supposed

obviousness

at

the

macro

-level,

when

they

are

used

as

reality-

givers

for

the

measurement

results

. An

example

of

invoking

such “

obvious

relevance

“ was

given

by

Tim in

our

recent

email

exchange

,

asking

me

to

consider

the

kind

of

theoretical

prediction

that there is a large collection of particles with the shape of a cat moving in stereotypically cat motions, and the theory also (although this is less important) validates lot's of claims about how this collection would move if, say, a dog-shaped collection of particles came charging at

it...

In Washington

you

mentioned

the

paper

on

the

“Origin

of

absolute

uncertainty

as

the

place

where

your

above

Born

rule

argument

is

made

.

I‘ll

look

at

that

again

, but I am not

convinced

that

this

will

resolve

the

tension

.]