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Stockton Presbytery So What Are We Doing Stockton Polity Engagement Introduction Perspective Orthodox Understanding Introduction Members on all sides of the issues Discussions will ID: 368901

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Slide1

Denominational Issues Town Hall Meeting

Stockton PresbyterySlide2

So What Are We Doing?

Stockton Polity EngagementSlide3

Introduction

Perspective

Orthodox UnderstandingSlide4

Introduction

Members on

all sides of the

issues.

Discussions will

be fair, civil,

gracious.

Purpose

to provide

an

Orthodox

view of

the

issues

facing the

PCUSA.

A

call to

prayerful

engagement.Slide5

Introduction

Theological

freedom within

bounds.

Tolerance

we

call forbearance

.

Essential tenets

”- Are

said to be stated in the Confessions (F-2.04) but what is and is not essential, is left to the individual to ascertain “within bounds” (G-2.0105).Slide6

What Are We Doing?

Currently

not planning

to leave the PCUSARedirection of gifts

Healthy

CongregationsSlide7

What Are We Doing?

Adoption of local standards

Mission Statement, Goals and Objectives

Adopted the prior Book of Order (2009-2011) as a part of the Manual of Operations

Committee on Ministry (COM) adopted the same language

Essential Tenets

as teaching tool.

Engagement with the denominationSlide8

Major Issues Prior to General Assembly 2012

6 PartsSlide9

Ordination – Part 1

Fidelity

in marriage or

chastity/ singleness.

Ordination change?

W

e

do not yet know

GAPJC (Parnell):

Could rule Scripture and Confessions not changed; or

Could determine interpretations changed.

April 2012Slide10

Ordination – Part 1

NOTE

: This issue presents itself in the context of homosexual behavior, but we should be clear that is not the issue! The issue is just as applicable to other UNREPENTED

acts. The

sin itself is not the issue as we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23).

The issue is the continuing un-repented insistence on calling blessed that which the scripture calls sinful

, and thereby rejecting Scripture and the Confessions. It is the integrity of the truth of scripture at stake. It’s that

freedom but “within boundaries”

thing again.Slide11

Ordination – Part 1

Stockton Overture 1

Commitment to live a

chaste and disciplined life

, whether in holy marriage between a man and a woman, or in single

life.

(

Book of Confessions 4.108; Heidelberg

Catechism).Slide12

Ordination – Part 2

Kenyon

Mandatory compliance to national standard

Stockton Overture

2 –

Freedom

Of Conscience for Sessions and Presbyteries

To maintain orthodox standard

From discipline action for orthodox viewSlide13

Benefits Plan

Pension Board voted to extend such benefits to same sex partners or civil marriages.

No relief of conscience granted

Stockton Overture 3

Reallocate a portion of the plan to a third party providerSlide14

Church/Presbytery Reorganization

Union Church

Stockton Overture 4 – session of a union congregation to decide for itself

Union Presbytery

Stockton Overture 5 – give the Union Presbytery the decisionSlide15

Church/Presbytery Reorganization

Non Geographic Presbyteries

Mid-Council

Commission

San Francisco Presbytery has overtured

to authorize

the use of non-geographic presbyteries

Eliminate

the requirement for GA approvalSlide16

Property

Subject to the trust provisions of the Book of Order regardless of title.

Generally,

upheld

by California civil courts

Question

of who owns the church property

and

less about the use of the

property.Slide17

Property

Presbyteries have been subject to collateral attack in the ecclesiastic and civil courts

Power to Presbytery to decide among irreconcilable factions

Never intended to grant authority to take the property from the congregation completely!Slide18

Property

Stockton Overture 6

- Property

being held primarily for the

local

congregation.

No Discipline for departing

the PCUSA on

t theological

grounds by a vote of at least a 2/3 margin.

Gracious Separation PolicySlide19

Marriage

Redefining Christian marriage

The issue comes to the 2012 GA in two forms.

Marriage

Definition change

from a “man and

a

woman” to “two persons”.

Conduct

of marriage services – allow

PCUSA

pastors to perform same sex

marriages

.Slide20

Marriage

What is an AI?

= Authoritative Interpretation

No

future issue of constitutional import will be safe from a single GA declaration, including the substance of the Confessions.

Stockton Overture 1Slide21

Expectations

GAPJC

may confirm that neither the Scripture nor the Confessions clearly forbid sexual conduct previously known as sinful as Christian orthodoxy has defined it for two millennia.

The definition of Christian marriage may be changed either by direct constitutional amendment or by Authoritative Interpretation.Slide22

Expectations

The Board of Pensions

already decided

to provide same sex partner or marriage benefit and tax the congregations to pay for

it (no payment now).

The Kenyon precedent may be reasserted on the issues of marriage and ordination to require compliance.Slide23

Expectations

The GA may not

restore the

ordination standards

or any of the relief of conscience requests.

BUT –

It might be ok.

WE DO NOT KNOW YET.

So pray, engage, wait, reassess.